This thirty-eighth episode of the Philosophy Bakes Bread radio show and podcast features an interview with Dr. Greg Sadler, The YouTube Philosopher, talking with co-hosts Eric Weber and Anthony Cashio about the great work he has done as a public philosopher. Greg’s videos have been viewed nearly 4 million times…
In addition to having built a remarkable following on YouTube, Dr. Sadler is also the President, CEO, and Chief Lord of ReasonIO, a company with which Greg puts philosophy into practice. With ReasonIO, Greg offers services in public speaking and running workshops. He develops curricula and content for his YouTube channel. He is a philosophical counselor and coach, as well as a philosophical consultant for organizations. Finally, he also serves as a tutor, with 1on1 sessions, assisting students in a variety of ways.
Listen for our “You Tell Me!” questions and for some jokes in one of our concluding segments, called “Philosophunnies.” Reach out to us on Facebook @PhilosophyBakesBread and on Twitter @PhilosophyBB; email us at philosophybakesbread@gmail.com; or call and record a voicemail that we play on the show, at 859.257.1849. Philosophy Bakes Bread is a production of the Society of Philosophers in America (SOPHIA). Check us out online at PhilosophyBakesBread.com and check out SOPHIA at PhilosophersInAmerica.com.
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Notes
- Greg’s company, ReasonIO.
- Greg’s main YouTube channel.
- Greg’s writings on Modern Stoicism.
- Greg’s Patreon page.
- Greg’s Half-Hour Hegel series on YouTube.
- Gregory Sadler, Reason Fulfilled by Revelation: The 1930s Christian Philosophy Debates in France (Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University Press of American, 2011).
You Tell Me!
For our future “You Tell Me!” segments, Greg proposed the following question in this episode, for which we invite your feedback:
“What do you want philosophy to be tackling in your day to day life problems?”
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Transcript
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Transcribed by Beth W. of Rev.com, June 21, 2018.
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Weber, Eric Thomas, Anthony Cashio, and Greg Sadler, “The YouTube Philosopher,” Philosophy Bakes Bread, Episode 38, Transcribed by Beth W. of Rev.com, WRFL Lexington 88.1 FM, Lexington, KY, August 15, 2017.
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Weber: Hey everybody, thanks for listening to WRFL Lexington, 88.1 FM. This is Dr. Eric Thomas Weber, and I am here with you live in the studio to play for you, a pre-recorded episode, this is episode 38 of Philosophy Bakes Bread. Let me make one quick push before we get going though, we are really looking to grow in terms of iTunes reviews, because we want more people to hear about this show and for the show to land higher in the algorithms when people search for something to listen to. If you’re enjoying this show and you use iTunes, you can hop on there and go, look at the show on iTunes and go give us a nice, fantastic five star review, we’d be so grateful, we put a lot of work into this and I really hope you enjoy it. Let us know. Without further ado, today is a show about the YouTube philosopher, his name is Dr. Greg Sadler and I hope you enjoy the show.
Cashio: Hello and welcome to Philosophy Bakes Bread, food for thought about life and leadership.
Weber: A production of the Society of Philosophers in America, aka SOPHIA. I’m Dr. Eric Thomas Weber.
Cashio: And Dr. Anthony Cashio. A famous phrase says that philosophy bakes no bread. That it is not practical, but we, in SOPHIA, and on this show, aim to correct that misperception.
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Cashio: Last but not least you can leave us a short, recorded message with a question or a comment, or if you’re feeling up to it, some bountiful praise-
Weber: We like that.
Cashio: … [crosstalk 00:02:29] just any kind of praise. Bountiful, bountiful, it’s got to be bountiful.
Weber: That’s right.
Cashio: And we’ll be able to play it on the show. You can reach us at 859-257-1849, that’s 859-257-1849. On today’s show we’re very fortunate to be joined by Greg Sadler, how you doing today Greg?
Sadler: Great.
Weber: Glad to have you here.
Cashio: Thank you for joining us, yes.
Weber: Yes.
Cashio: Very glad to have you here. We’re going to call this episode The YouTube Philosopher-
Weber: For good reason.
Cashio: Are you okay with that Greg?
Sadler: Yeah, that sounds-
Cashio: We’ve labeled you.
Sadler: That sounds okay, that’s about a third of what I do, so-
Weber: Awesome.
Sadler: … that fits perfectly.
Cashio: So we’ll be talking a lot about that. Greg is also the president of ReasonIO which is a platform for putting philosophy into practice, and he’s also the editor of Stoicism Today, I’ve actually mentioned that on the show before, Stoicism Today-
Weber: That’s right.
Cashio: He produces the Half Hour Hegel project and is a prolific producer of YouTube videos and we mean prolific. It’s impressive.
Weber: That is exactly right. Greg is an impressive public philosopher. He has created over 1,000 YouTube videos.
Cashio: Wow.
Weber: Which have had over 3,891,000 views.
Cashio: Wow.
Weber: And Greg has over 39,900 YouTube subscribers. Greg is also an author who published his 2011 book Reason Fulfilled by Revelation: The 1930s Christian Philosophy Debates in France. Greg we’re excited to have you here with us, thank you for joining us.
Sadler: Yeah, I’m really happy to be on the show. And it’s fun to be on it with some fellow Salukis as well.
Weber: There you go.
Cashio: Yes, yeah.
Weber: Go Salukis.
Cashio: We all graduated from Southern Illinois University in Carbondale. The mascot is the Salukis.
Weber: Which is a-
Cashio: An Egyptian hunting dog, right?
Weber: An Egyptian hunting dog-
Sadler: I don’t think anybody that goes there knows what a Salukis is before-
Weber: Yes.
Sadler: … before they arrive.
Weber: That’s good, that’s plausible that’s right.
Cashio: They’re beautiful dogs though, they are. All right, well Greg, thank you for joining us and we’re eager to learn about your great YouTube success, your public philosophy as well as your business ReasonIO. But before that though, Greg, we have to learn about you.
Weber: That’s right.
Cashio: So, we call this first segment Know Thyself and we really rake you over the coals here.
Sadler: That sounds fine.
Cashio: Get deep and psychological. So we want to know about you first and then about how you got into philosophy and then we’ll ask you, as we like to ask each guest, what philosophy means to you. So how about it. Do you know thyself? Tell us about yourself Greg. Right, who are you, where did you come from?
Sadler: When it comes to how I got into philosophy, it’s a story I’ve told many times and it’s kind of like a comedy of errors, really, in many respects. I would have never imagined I would have been a philosophy professor, let alone even gone to college when I was in high school. I had the intention of going in the army and being a lifer or strangely enough getting out and then working in private practice that way. And I wound up getting in around the same time as the wall came down, we sort of lost any sight of what we were doing and then I found out that peacetime military service was not particularly fun for somebody like me.
Weber: Okay.
Sadler: And I’d had some philosophy classes and I did some reading about philosophy, here and there I’d pick up a cheap book. And when I was in high school had two different classes that were in essence philosophy classes. One was terrible and one was great. And the one that was terrible was an actual philosophy class. It was listed as one, I went to Catholic high school so philosophy was a religion elective. And we had Martin Gardner’s The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener as the textbook and the teacher was just, sort of we were supposed to just memorize things and weren’t supposed to do a lot of thinking outside of what we put on the board. And so I thought, well, philosophy’s really dumb. There’s no way I’m doing this sort of stuff.
And then we had another guy, my junior year, he was a substitute teacher brought in from Seattle, his name was Mr. Lorenzo and unfortunately the nun who was supposed to teach our class in sacraments got sick and then eventually died. But so they brought him in and he said, “Well you know I’m a convert, I’m really a big fan of Augustine, he has a lot to say about the sacraments, so I’m going to teach you about Augustine. And there isn’t any textbook for the class, I’m just going to put notes on the board and we’ll discuss things.” And then he said, “In order to understand Augustine, you have to understand Plato and you have to understand Aristotle, so we’re going to spend some time on that.” And most of the students hated the class because they didn’t know what was going to be on the test, he encouraged a lot of discussion-
Weber: Right.
Cashio: What is on the test? What do all these questions?
Sadler: Exactly, yeah. And he didn’t, there was no textbook, so he would just tell us, “Well you can go and read this Platonic dialogue,” and of course almost none of the class did. But I loved it. And so that was my sort of introduction to these great thinkers. At the end of the class he said, “Well, we’ve got some time left over in the semester, let’s do some Freud and some Young and some Adler.” So, I got a little bit of that. And so, all of this is sort of laying the groundwork. And then I go in the army, I get out, I’m working restaurant jobs, basically just to get by. And I’m doing some reading here and there, and I’m interested in philosophical questions without really realizing it and I decide to go to college because I’m tired of making essentially peanuts. I mean it was great from a Marxist perspective to see how labor works and where the margins to profits are and how the economy works. It wasn’t a lot of fun.
So, I go to college and being first generation I had no idea where I should go. So, I just went to one of the places suggested to me, which was good, Lakeland College, I had, they had a great regime of benign neglect at the time. They had a decent library and you’d do your classes and you could read whatever else you wanted to on the side. And my mother’s boyfriend at the time said, “When you get to college, declare a major right away. Because then you won’t be just one freshman lost in the crowd, you’ll have some connections.” So, I looked down the list and I saw philosophy and I was like that sounds interesting. And so, I became a philosophy major and that meant-
Cashio: As a freshman?
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: Wow.
Sadler: Well, you know. So, then you take philosophy classes, and I was also majoring in math at the time because they put me in Calc One and the guy who taught it began with the theory of limits. And that was mind blowing for me. I was like, boy math classes were really boring, this is interesting stuff. And then of course the rest of the class hated it because it was theoretical, but I loved it so I just kept taking more and more classes. And then I ended up becoming a double major in philosophy and mathematics and in that time doing a lot of work in foundations of mathematics and logic. And then I hadn’t really studied in any serious way because I could kind of get by, up until that time, and once again I started working, worked for a year. I had a third shift security job here in downtown Milwaukee which gave me a lot of time for reading and working on my languages.
And then it came time to apply for grad school and I had to think so do I go for math, do I go for philosophy, should I just study and take the actuarial exam because that’s a nice thing you can do for your life at the time with mathematics? And I decided on philosophy and then it’s a question, where do you go? And again, no guidance whatsoever, so I just started getting applications. Back then nothing was online of course. And I applied to SIU precisely because they had the cheapest application fee. And then, I mean again, no planning whatsoever. So I got accepted at a few places and some of them offered me fellowships and some of them said, “No, you’ll have to find your own money.” And so I just threw them out right away. And SIU got to me the quickest with the most money, so I said, “Looks like I’m going down to Southern Illinois University.” And when I got there, I mean you guys went there so you know it was a pluralist department, which for somebody like me was great.
Because I think if I had gone into a place that specialized just in analytic or just in continental or even perhaps even just in history of philosophy, I wouldn’t have done as well as learning. And then we also had those very rigorous preliminary exams that constituted kind of a second education-
Cashio: Right.
Sadler: … as you prepped for them. I’m really sad that they’re gone [crosstalk 00:11:39]-
Weber: Greg, Greg for the uninitiated-
Sadler: Oh yeah.
Weber: … what is a pluralist department? Let’s not get too much into the weeds-
Sadler: Yeah, yeah.
Weber: … but let’s be very broad brush about the, there’s these traditions and what does pluralism mean in that?
Sadler: So, when we talk about a pluralistic department, we mean that professors are coming from several different philosophical traditions. And a lot of people I suppose think that well there’s just, there’s just philosophy but it’s done in some very distinctive ways. So here in the United States we typically talk about Anglo-American analytic philosophy, and continental European philosophy. Of course being at SIU, there’s great representatives of the classical American philosophy tradition, people like James and Dewey. And then we can also talk about people doing history of philosophy or philosophy as a way of life. All those are distinct approaches, so being in a department like that means that you get exposed to a lot of philosophers and approaches that you ordinarily wouldn’t encounter.
And I think it makes you a better thinker-
Weber: Yes.
Sadler: … and a better communicator, having to develop in that sort of environment.
Weber: That’s very nice explanation. I mean when you think about why these kinds of traditions happen, narrowing your focus can help you go deeper into a subject you might say. And at the same time, it could be very helpful to have a breath of perspective, right? And so pluralistic departments often emphasize the latter, right?
Sadler: Yeah I mean I suppose for some of the listeners, thinking about contemporary political divides, it’s almost as if within the Democratic party and the Republican party there’s totally different discourses, words mean totally different things, and the people who are the best statesmen are the ones who can as we say, reach across the aisle. But reaching across those linguistic and conceptual divides. And so you know the same thing exits in philosophy.
Weber: Great illustration, great illustration. We have about a minute and a half left in this segment and an enormous question to ask you of course, Greg-
Cashio: Can I ask it?
Weber: Yes, you can ask it, please do.
Cashio: What is philosophy Greg? What do you take it to mean?
Sadler: Oh, yeah, so I don’t, I never have a good answer to that in part because there’s just a plethora of answers out there. So it’s something for me like a Wittgensteinian language game-
Weber: Wait, what’s that, what’s that?
Sadler: Well, right. Where something has very fuzzy boundaries and we use the word in a multiplicity of ways that are kind of interconnected and there is some sort of core meaning but we can never put our finger on it. So I’m not a good person to answer that question, unfortunately.
Weber: Well I happen to like what you’re getting at with the Wittgensteinian language game. One of the ways to think about that folks is imagine explaining to someone what someone with your last name is like in your family.
Sadler: Oh.
Weber: What’s a Weber like, or what’s a Cashio like, or what’s a Sadler like, lord there’s-
Cashio: Oh, I can tell you what Cashio’s are like.
Weber: Oh, is that right? Go ahead, meatballs, right?
Cashio: No, I don’t. Meatballs?
Weber: No?
Cashio: Yeah, sure.
Weber: We. The point is there’s a family of resemblances and ideas and values, right? And we’re going to come back after a short break everybody talking with Greg Sadler, this is Eric Weber with Anthony Cashio who is Mr. Meatball.
Cashio: Oh lord.
Weber: You’re listening to Philosophy Bakes Bread. We’ll be right back.
Cashio: Welcome back to Philosophy Bakes Bread. This is Anthony Cashio and Eric Weber and we are very lucky today to be talking with Greg Sadler who we’ve named the YouTube philosopher, exclamation point. In this second segment, we’re going to talk about his prolific, it really is prolific and I was very impressed with the amount of work that he’s put up on YouTube. In the next segment we’ll discuss ReasonIO, which is Greg’s company and the work it does and we’ll talk about that in greater detail. So, Greg let’s get to it. You’ve got this main YouTube channel has got over 1,000 videos, is that correct?
Sadler: Yeah, I actually, I don’t know how many are in there because I haven’t counted recently.
Weber: I think it’s 1,100 is what I saw, but it’s over 1,000.
Sadler: It could be, yeah, yeah.
Cashio: Geez, well let’s talk about how did you get into this and how did you decide to become a YouTube philosopher? Can you, we’ve got to get the first part of your story, but what’s the second part, how did this?
Sadler: That too is kind of, I got into it in a strange way. And I have to give a lot of credit to my wife and partner Andi Sciacca, who’s been the big cheerleader. And well even beyond that the person to say you really need to do this and quit complaining about this and that-
Weber: Awesome.
Sadler: … and get on with it.
Weber: Here’s to the wives.
Sadler: Yeah.
Cashio: That’s right.
Sadler: So, when I’m-
Weber: Partners make a big difference.
Sadler: … when I was at FSU-
Weber: Yes.
Sadler: They were experimenting with doing some lecture capture. And they had the huge cameras and they were doing it through their professional people there and they were video recording us. And it was interesting because most professors were very, very nervous about that. I didn’t mind because by then I’d settled into a good groove with the students that I had. And Andi had gotten a flip cam, these tiny little, at that time $50, $70 cameras just so I could record my trips that I was taking. And then she was the one who suggested to me, hey you should record your lectures in class. And I thought, well that could be useful for the students but maybe if I do that they won’t show up. This was a big fear for lecture capture. Turns out that the research shows that it actually helps attendance because students want to be there for it.
And so, I was teaching four critical thinking classes that last semester at Fayetteville State University and I recorded the first one each of the three days of the week that I was there. In part because they were the best students, the 8:00 class, and I would get the best questions. And then I just put them in the institutional channel and I was thinking, this is just for my students. Within a few weeks there were people watching them worldwide and commenting on them and saying “This was really useful.” A lot of it was because the classes that they were in, the instructors were, you might say uncooperative in explaining things or they weren’t particularly good at conveying things. So, they were watching these as a supplement, about whatever defining terms or what an inductive argument is.
And at that time you couldn’t record very long YouTube videos unless you had an institutional account, so FSU owns those. So, I was experimenting with shooting other things-
Weber: And FSU is?
Sadler: Oh, Fayetteville State University in North Carolina.
Weber: Right, there you go, thanks.
Sadler: So, I was shooting these things called Dr. Sadler Chalk and Talks, because it was kind of a way of thumbing-
Cashio: The old chalk and talk.
Sadler: Yeah, it was thumbing my nose at the ed experts who say that lecture is dead and if you do a video it can’t be any longer than five minutes. So it was an experiment to see whether people would actually watch something that had some philosophical substance. And I started doing those and I would just set the camera up and just go in front of the board, no mic or anything like that and people would watch those and comment on those. So when I moved, when I left FSU to move up to New York to Andi and I were having a long distance relationship at the time which was, very taxing. So I actually left a tenure-track position where I was up for early tenure and promotion and was about to start leading university-wide assessment to go up to New York.
I started teaching at Marist College part-time and I started recording those classes. And Marist, unlike FSU which wanted to, they were very draconian in their intellectual property thing, everything you do belongs to the State of North Carolina, right? Marist was cool with me uploading things in my own channel. So I started doing that with my intro and my ethics class, and I go after primary texts so we’re looking at Plato and Aristotle and Hobbes and within again, a few weeks of posting videos, they would get thousands of views.
Weber: Wow.
Sadler: And so this continued on for a while. And again I was very surprised because I took convincing, I was like who’s going to watch this? I’m nobody, I’m not a famous philosophy professor like these Yale courses or anything like that. And this is super low tech and the ed experts, maybe they’re right that an hour of video isn’t something people would watch. But, people were watching it. And that’s the really cool thing about YouTube. It’s sort of the if you build it they will come thing. You can experiment with it, with very cheaply with very little investment, you can throw your stuff up there and see what works. And as it turns out there’s an incredible hunger out there for substantive engagement with ideas. And it’s not being met by most of our university outreach, it’s definitely not being met by our media, or even the channels that have a pretension, like the History Channel or Discovery Channel to be doing that.
And it’s a very DIY thing. You as an individual can put your stuff out there and see if people want to watch it. And it turned out, people do. So, then I started getting requests and people were well, can you do this-
Weber: Wow.
Sadler: … and do this. So, I started doing some polling and the four people that my viewers wanted to see the most were Sartre, Heidegger, Hegel and Marcuse.
Weber: Whoa.
Sadler: I never did anything on Marcuse, but I did start a series on existentialist thinkers and so that got the start in Heidegger. And then I started the Half-Hour Hegel series which is a whole, huge investment. Which if I’d really thought out maybe I wouldn’t have done quite the same way, but I’m now three and a half years into it. And then I started doing these shorter views, core concept videos, just focusing on one idea. And then people were also saying, “Hey, we want to know more about you, what are your philosophical views on things? What’s your background?” So I do these personal videos where I’d talk about when I used to be really into Wittgenstein or when I was a Nietzschean. Or about suffering from depression or being adopted or things like that.
And people for the most part the responses have been very positive. I get, I do get a few jerks and trolls coming in and saying, usually it’s about hey this guy, he should cut his hair, or he’s too fat or I didn’t like that the video didn’t talk about this and that, but you always get that. But for the most part the responses are incredibly positive. And my videos now, my avatar has been, he’s lived longer in virtual time than I’ve lived in my life. It’s almost-
Weber: What do you mean by that? How does that make sense to someone who doesn’t know what you’re talking about?
Sadler: So, YouTube gives you analytics and these tells you how many minutes of footage have been watched. And at this time, I’ve got the numbers here somewhere, it’s yeah, 37 million minutes of total watch time.
Cashio: Holy crap.
Sadler: It’s about 70 years. And the average watch time for my videos is above 10 minutes, which means that there’s some people that just click and then they bounce off. Most of the people are watching these things at least party through, many of them all the way through. So they’re seeing this guy, who looks more or less the same, he’s got a tie and a jacket getting up in front of this chalkboard that I’ve got in my study and going on about Aristotle or Nietzsche or whatever we’re talking about. He has had more existence in a certain way than I, well 70 years, hopefully I will live well past 70-
Weber: Right.
Sadler: … but it’s growing exponentially.
Weber: Right.
Sadler: So, by the time that I’m 70, if YouTube is still around, who knows how long this guy, that my avatar will have lived.
Cashio: Right and you’re about to get the PBB bump. So, you’re going to get more viewers.
Sadler: Oh yeah, exactly.
Weber: I think we’re about to get the YouTube philosopher bump actually-
Cashio: Yeah, yeah, that’s right.
Weber: … more likely. So, you explained how some of the videos that you’ve chosen to make have come about where people asked you for things, but now the earliest videos and when you were deciding what to make videos of, were they just about your classes or if not how did you pick what to make videos of?
Sadler: Well those first ones were primarily just recording what was going on in my classes, so what we call lecture capture. And then also if I did a public event, I would usually record that. Although sometimes it could be kind of dicey, people would bump the camera, it would shut off halfway through, all sorts of things could go wrong. And then the like I said the Dr. Sadler Chalk and Talks, I would just pick a topic that I thought people would find interesting. And I used them for a variety of purposes-
Weber: What are some examples of that?
Sadler: Well it was everything from what is existentialism to do people have soulmates, to explaining-
Weber: Do people have soulmates, that’s fun.
Sadler: Yeah. Explaining Fayetteville State University’s quality enhancement plan that I’d worked on, it was all over the map.
Weber: Do people have soulmates?
Cashio: Ah, the QEP.
Sadler: Well, back at the time that I recorded it, I said, “Yes, but not everybody.”
Weber: Oh, yes but not everybody has a soulmate?
Sadler: Yeah.
Cashio: Should we leave it mysterious? Go watch the video to find out more.
Weber: There you go. That’s right.
Sadler: Well you could but I mean that’s kind of a funny topic. These really older videos I watch them and now, some of those are five, six years old. And I watch them and I’m like, man, I’m not so happy with that. But what am I going to do, you know? I can’t edit it. YouTube doesn’t even let you change the sound in the video.
Weber: There’s a line I think from John Lennon where he says he would have re-recorded every one of his vocal tracks or something like that.
Sadler: Yeah.
Cashio: Yeah, [crosstalk 00:25:48].
Sadler: I can sympathize with that. So, I don’t actually like to watch myself on the videos. I have to sometimes if somebody asks me, “Well what were you talking about at this point in the video?” Because it might be four years old, so if I want to respond to the comment, I don’t know what the hell I said 800 videos ago. So, I go back and I’ll watch it and yeah, it’s not a pleasant experience for me.
Weber: That’s fun, funny.
Cashio: So, you take on some pretty difficult, challenging concepts and thinkers in your videos [inaudible 00:26:20]. The Half-Hour Hegel. Hegel, for those of you who don’t know, is a notoriously difficult thinker to follow. Just quite difficult.
Sadler: Yeah.
Cashio: When you’re putting together your video and you’re thinking about it, how do you think about making, how do you make Hegel accessible?
Sadler: Oh, yeah so. You know over time my teaching got better and better in part because I taught service classes. Classes that are for non-majors and a lot, this is something that Eric and I have talked about, this is kind of a soap box speech for me. I think that those are the most important classes that we as philosophers teach, and I think that a lot of philosophy professors look down on those as slumming. We’re mixing with the great unwashed masses and wouldn’t it be nice to be teaching the graduate students instead? And graduate classes are easy to teach compared to service classes because you have to present stuff that is very complicated and deep to people who generally haven’t been well equipped for that.
So, you’ve got to use a lot of examples and think about where your audience is and how you can get it across to them. So, I think that service classes are something like an apprenticeship for becoming a good communicator, which is an integral part of being a good teacher. So years and years and years of doing that has probably been the biggest impact on the way that I present things. And I also found that I, and this is going to sound a little bit prideful, but I have a genuine talent for taking complex ideas and making them accessible for ordinary people, for working professionals, and for the students that get stuck in our classes and have no idea what they’re getting into so.
Cashio: Right.
Weber: Greg, can I ask you to indulge us with one sort of example of an insight from Hegel that you might explain very simply to a general audience. What is something Hegel’s taught us in a minute?
Sadler: A simple Hegel-
Cashio: That’s a great Hegel concept-
Sadler: Yeah.
Cashio: … in one minute.
Sadler: Well I’ll start off with this famous dictum the real is rational and the rationale is real. People often take that as well so Hegel’s an idealist so it must be we’ve got these ideas and you sort of map them on to things and that’s, that’s, that, right? Really what he’s saying is that ideas matter in so far as we make them actual. In so far as we put them, we clothe them in the form of real life people doing things, that’s when you find out what an idea really means. So, in a way this makes Hegel kind of a pragmatist, right?
Weber: Ooh. That was even less than a minute-
Cashio: Wow, all right-
Weber: … look at that, all right. So the rationale is real and the real is rationale, in other words, ideas matter in the world if you put them into practice-
Sadler: Only when you put them into practice.
Weber: Only-
Cashio: Only.
Weber: … only when you put them-
Sadler: Yep.
Weber: … into practice.
Cashio: Ideas must be practiced, yeah that’s Hegelian, I like it.
Weber: Wow, that’s very interesting. Well we maybe will ask you a little more about that when we come back, thanks everybody for listening to Philosophy Bakes Bread, this is Eric Weber with my cohost Anthony Cashio and we’ve been talking with Greg Sadler, we’ll be right back after a short break.
Cashio: Welcome back everyone to Philosophy Bakes Bread, this is Anthony Cashio and Eric Weber and this good morning, it’s a beautiful morning today when we’re recording this. We’re talking with Greg Sadler, the YouTube philosopher. You’ve got to read it with an exclamation point in there. In this segment we’re going to ask Greg about his company, ReasonIO, which is a platform for putting philosophy into practice. So Greg, in addition to all this prolific work you’ve been doing on YouTube, you’re also running your own company. Do you want to tell us about it? What is ReasonIO?
Sadler: Well, so it’s the company that I have and like you said the motto is putting philosophy into practice, so the main things that I do all tie in with that. I do have to say that it’s literally a mom-and-pop company. So it’s not like we have a lot of employees at this point-
Weber: Are you the pop?
Sadler: I am, yeah. And I also make a lot of jokes too-
Weber: Good.
Sadler: … with people that I run into where I say, “When you’re your own boss, your boss is usually a jerk. He doesn’t give you days off. When you’re sick he doesn’t want to hear the excuses. There’s deadlines that gotta be met, he’s a real driver,” so yeah. But I created it originally just to give myself a way of, for tax purposes, when I was doing more and more public speaking, a way to deal with that. And then I started thinking, well what else could I do? And I eventually started shifting into other areas, tutorials became a major part of what I do so. A lot of people book me for one-on-one tutorial sessions on philosophy, some of them are professors who want to work on something for their classes, some of them are CEOs of startups, some of them are executives, I have a number of different people with that.
And then I also started doing philosophical counseling, I got certified by the American Philosophical Practitioners Association, and the reason I did that was when I looked at the philosophical counseling movement, I realized I’d been doing that sort of on the side and not getting paid for it. And what philosophy counseling or practice, in Europe it’s usually called philosophical practice, here it’s called philosophical counseling. It’s taking concepts and resources from classical and contemporary philosophy, and then using them in settings to help people work through problems whether it’s career transitions to emotional issues and relationships to matters in the workplace. There’s a huge application for it because it turns out that people like Aristotle or Plato or Epictetus had a lot that’s very useful for contemporary issues-
Cashio: Right.
Weber: Indeed.
Sadler: Yeah and so I do quite a bit of that. That’s something I, if I could only pick one thing and I had to concentrate on just one core area of the business, as much as I love shooting the YouTube videos, I love doing this counseling and coaching work even more. Because you’re doing, you’re really making philosophy applicable within the framework of a person’s life. And when you see people benefiting from it, coming back later and saying, “It was really helpful for me to apply this concept from Aristotle, or Rilke” or whoever, I find that very rewarding. So, there’s that and then I also do a good bit of consulting work, I mean you know about this Eric, when you bring in a philosopher into institutional settings, they usually have a lot of useful things to say that other people aren’t saying.
Weber: Right.
Sadler: And we provide-
Cashio: Right.
Sadler: … we make distinctions that need to be made, we ask the right questions, we save people at lot of time. So, I-
Weber: Point out inconsistencies.
Sadler: Oh yeah, exactly, yeah.
Weber: We evaluate values statements-
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: … and think about when our actions aren’t consistent with those, right?
Sadler: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And then we point them at resources that we know well because we’ve been studying these people for 20 years.
Weber: Right.
Sadler: So, I mean you know, you’ve got a book on Plato and democracy so, it’s not just going in and doing Socratic method, oh what do you think, what do you think, oh that’s really-
Weber: Right.
Sadler: You actually say, “Well, so and so had something useful to say in this.” [crosstalk 00:33:55].
Weber: That’s right. Well Greg let me ask a very simple question. I think average listeners maybe have a sense by now that reason is very important to philosophers, right? We care a lot about logical and thinking and so forth. What’s the IO? ReasonIO?
Sadler: Oh, yeah. So originally it was supposed to be Reason It Out. And the idea is we’re essentially doing practical reasoning, right? And so if people have problems, you apply practical reason usually with the help of somebody else, and you reason it out. And then somebody pointed it out to me that could also be input/output and so I was like, well that’s kind of a cool phrase and then I don’t usually think about it too much anymore, myself. I am so used to saying just ReasonIO. But then it turns out that you can also get websites that have an IO ending, which stands for Indian Ocean, and so I should actually mention, so if people want to go to ReasonIO website, it’s not Reason.io, it’s ReasonIO.com. I don’t know where Reason.io goes, but that’s not us.
Weber: All right.
Cashio: I’m tempted to check that out.
Weber: Exactly. ReasonIO.com if you want to learn more folks. But so okay I got to ask just the simple question about what’s IO, but tell us, you do a number of things. One of them is the videos, one of them is the counseling. Tell us, you do some other things too, you mentioned public speaking, right and that’s not all you do though, you do a bunch of things don’t you, tell us a little more about what you do as a company?
Sadler: Well, yeah, I mean the public speaking it’s a variety of different types. Some of it is the traditional, you get hired as an academic to go in and talk to other academics about Nietzsche or something like that. But I do a lot of public speaking for organizations and we also partner here locally with the libraries and offer a number of talk series, usually gratis unless they have a budget for it because it’s kind of a public good sort of thing. So there’s all of that and then I mentioned the consulting work but usually all of that is kind of one of a kind so, one of the big projects I’m working on right now has to do with a development in an app, a dating app-
Cashio: Okay.
Sadler: … I’m an ethics consultant on that.
Cashio: Wait, wait so, they hired you to help develop a dating app?
Sadler: Well they want to have one that’s got some sort of, the ethical pitfalls of things like Tinder, they want to deal with that so that it’s a much better app and so-
Weber: In a sentence, what is Tinder?
Sadler: Oh-
Cashio: It’s swipe left.
Sadler: … a meat market, you know?
Weber: Tinder is a meat market for dating?
Sadler: Yeah. Well and for hookups.
Weber: Oh, so not necessarily-
Sadler: I think some people use it for dating, but I think-
Weber: … just skip the date and go to the dessert?
Sadler: Yeah, you know for a lot of people it’s become-
Weber: Oh goodness.
Sadler: … a mode of entertainment too. And so some people get on it, this is one of the ethical issues involved with it right? Are people who are using the app serious in making the connections? Or are they just swiping left and right just to do so, because it can become a habit forming activity. So there’s all sorts of really interesting ethical issues. And I love working with business people on this because it started out in that case, I was tutoring the CEO in ancient philosophy but specifically on ethics and then he said, “Well, I want to bring you in on this project.”
I’m also working with the, this great place called the Center for Superheroes down in Texas, which is a trauma center for children, it’s a psychotherapy center. And I’m helping the director to develop philosophical concepts into viable psychological constructs that can be taught then to therapists to use.
Weber: Interesting.
Cashio: Wow that’s really fantastic.
Sadler: Yeah, it’s a lot of, yeah, I mean I love this kind of work. And this is where, like I said, philosophy needs to be out there in the world getting our fingers into all the gears because we have this great body of resources that we can offer to people. I’ve used this metaphor before, I’m sort of like a salesman. And I’ve got a really, really good product and so long as I don’t screw it up. When people get exposed to stoic philosophy or to Aristotle or even to Hegel or it takes more work with Hegel of course but.
Once they see the applicability of these ideas and how powerful they are, people really respond to them. And so I don’t, it’s not like peddling the latest ed theory or business management theory, we have this stuff that’s just incredible that we can pitch to business leaders and where it’s going to make a difference within a corporation and their stakeholders. Or public organizations.
Cashio: I try to tell philosophers this when my work on leadership first came out, people were hungry for this stuff. And they’re so used to people talking about leadership being a bunch of nonsense or a bunch of fluff. And when you speak rigorously about a topic that’s interesting to them, like leadership, they eat it up. Like Chambers of Commerce, schools of business, community foundations, organizations, they all want to hear about this and they loved it. And they really appreciated it. And you talk to other philosophers and they’re like what’s philosophy of leadership?
Sadler: Well you know it’s interesting. One of my friends and colleagues and I’m not going to mention him by name because I don’t want to embarrass him on this, but he’s a very successful ethics educator. And has been doing it for years, and years, and years. And one of the biggest issues that he has is lack of peer interaction. Because people in the academy treat him as kind of a pariah. He’s been dumbing it down for the great unwashed masses. He’s exploiting philosophy, you pick whatever thing you want, but he has had more impact than probably several different departments of philosophy have had for improving ethics in the workplace.
Weber: Nice.
Cashio: Well, you know you’re doing something similar right Greg? You’ve set off-
Sadler: No, no, yeah.
Cashio: … in a smaller scale, you gave up a tenure track job at an academic institution for love, right?
Sadler: Exactly.
Cashio: Which is, I think a great reason to do it. But now you’re really foraging your own path outside of the academy but you’re still a professional philosopher and this is kind of, at least this day and age, that’s kind of an unusual position to be in. So what has it been like, forging your own path and sort of?
Weber: And first of all-
Cashio: What considerations-
Weber: First of all from Anthony and me, kudos man.
Cashio: Kudos.
Sadler: Well thanks.
Cashio: Yeah.
Weber: It’s amazing what you’re doing. Yeah.
Sadler: Yeah, I would say-
Cashio: Yeah, we’re all on board.
Sadler: Yeah, in my case it meant having to, as academics we have a bunch of habits that get built into us. And some of them have to do with our willingness to be self-promoting and do the sort of things that, the networking that’s required. A lot of academics are very uncomfortable with doing that and I was too, initially. And that took, there’s kind of a learning curve. A practical learning curve that has to do with values and rethinking, well if I don’t actually get out there and talk to people and tell them about this, how are they ever going to find out about it? I’m not a naturally entrepreneurial person. My wife fortunately is and so I’ve learned a lot from just talking with her and observing her and then interacting with others.
But it’s taken a long time. And for a while I was in kind of a hybrid thing where I was still applying for academic jobs and thinking I could go back into the academy full time. And I’ll just do the business as for what I’m doing for right now. At this point in time, I can’t picture going back. In part because I’ve gotten used to how quickly you can actually get things done outside of the academy. And how long everything takes and you guys have heard that joke about philosophy departments right? Why are the disputes in philosophy departments so bitter?
Weber: I know the answer but you tell us.
Cashio: Yeah.
Sadler: Because the stakes are so low.
Weber: Yeah right. Exactly.
Sadler: And so, all the sort of office politics that goes along with that, I can’t picture going back into a traditional academic position again. And so you know at a certain point to use an old metaphor, you burn your ships because you’re on the shore and now you just forge ahead. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last several years. Especially since we moved back here to Milwaukee. That was a great thing.
Weber: That’s interesting, you-
Sadler: Being back in my hometown.
Weber: … I think your average listener would feel a sympathy for what you’re saying, especially if they work in any kind of big institution-
Sadler: Oh yeah, yeah.
Weber: … because part of your experience is being of a small business owner.
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: Right? I mean-
Sadler: Being in governments or being in large corporations, they can move at a snail’s pace very well too.
Weber: That’s right. That’s right. But the-
Cashio: For often the same reasons, yeah.
Weber: Right, right.
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: Well we have a bunch more questions for you but we’re out of time for this segment, maybe we’ll save a couple of them for the remaining segment. Thanks everyone for listening to Philosophy Bakes Bread, this is Eric Weber with my cohost Anthony Cashio and we’ve been talking with Greg Sadler, the YouTube philosopher and the president, CEO and chief lord over ReasonIO.com. Go check it out, it’s really awesome. We’re going to come back with one more segment after a short break.
Cashio: Welcome back to Philosophy Bakes Bread. This is Anthony Cashio and Eric Weber and we’ve been talking with Greg Sadler. And now we have some final big picture questions as well as some lighthearted thoughts, hopefully lighthearted, let’s keep them lighthearted. And with a pressing philosophical question for our listeners, as well as info about how to get ahold of us with your questions, comments, criticisms, praise-
Weber: Bountiful praise.
Cashio: … saying hi, you can do that too. You can do that too. Yes, only bountiful. So Greg, I have a kind of a question about, we’ll go back to your work with YouTube and you know we have YouTube, and Twitter, and Facebook, and podcasts, and so on and so then. A lot of ways that philosophers and other thinkers can sort of reach wider audience. We’ve touched about this, but how do you see the landscape changing for how philosophy is encountered and addressed going forward because of these different kinds of media that we didn’t even have 10 years ago or at least nearly as popular? [inaudible 00:44:33]. So do you see it changing a lot?
Sadler: Well just in the time that we’ve been doing this it’s changed quite a bit. I mentioned, I’ll give you one example, so YouTube when it first came out you could do 10 minute long videos, which really constrained what you could talk about. So people would, if they wanted to talk about an hour long thing, they’d have installation one which would lead to two, to three, to four, to five. And so on. Now you can, if you wanted to do a 24 hour long video, I don’t know who would watch it, but people do that kind of thing sometime, and you have YouTube live where you can stream it live and people can comment. And the platforms get more and more sophisticated as time goes on, there’s more and more integration. And it’ll be interesting to see what happens like 10 years from now, will YouTube be around in its present state? I don’t know.
What are all these videos going to get transformed into? So there’s all of that. But then there’s also kind of a, you could call it I suppose sociological development. Academia, I don’t have to tell this to you guys but I think some of your listeners probably don’t picture things this way, academia is a very stratified field and there’s elites at the top who went to the elite institutions and generally talk to each other and get published very easily. And [crosstalk 00:45:50].
Weber: And ignore people below them.
Sadler: Well-
Weber: Often.
Sadler: … I mean-
Weber: Some of them do.
Sadler: … yeah. I mean they’re drawing on other people in many, many different ways but they also have this sort of self-made person kind of ideology going quite often.
Weber: That’s true.
Sadler: We talk. Academia presents itself as being a meritocracy when it definitely is not the case. And then we have, I think where much of the real education takes place is not in the elite institutions it’s in the state schools and smaller liberal arts schools and the sort of things that we’re doing here on this platform. So these new platforms, they offered a chance to break in and I think it’s really important. Somebody like me, with a pedigree from a lower-tier school, who didn’t really publish in the right places because I was more interested in just writing what I wanted to write about, who taught in institutions that were considered pretty low-tier as well, my first teaching was in a prison for six years and then FSU is a struggling HBCU.
Weber: Historically-
Sadler: Somebody, historically black college-
Weber: … Black College-
Sadler: Yeah-
Weber: … and University, yeah.
Sadler: Yeah. And so YouTube let me break in. And now it’s not as if you don’t have to do a lot of other things, you have to be committed to it, people have to actually like what you’re doing. So you could break in sort of like the Mephistopheles that Camus makes a little fun of, the poet who killed himself to call attention to his works. And then everyone read them and they’re like, well this guy’s no good. You know, same thing could happen with YouTube.
Weber: Geez.
Sadler: But if your stuff is good, it rises to the top and people share it. So it offers alternative ways of getting it and I think podcasts are right now pretty hot in that respect-
Weber: We hope so.
Sadler: … and I don’t know what it’ll be like. Well, you’ll know, they really are. That’s where a lot of growth is taking place-
Weber: Yeah.
Sadler: … and you guys are doing a great job with this podcast.
Weber: Thanks Greg.
Sadler: So, I don’t know what the next thing will be like, but it offers me a lot of hope. Because it means that we’re not just stuck with the top-tier people running everything. Right now it’s, and again, something that I think many of your listeners won’t know about, because the job market for philosophy for academic philosophy has shrunk a lot. Many of the sort of second-tier schools are not placing their graduates because the top-tier schools are, their graduates are occupying most of the available jobs. So a lot of programs are in deep trouble right now across the nation because they’re so much difficulty placing. It wouldn’t 10 years ago, 20 years ago, they were very consistent placers of their graduates.
Weber: Well Greg you are just now sort of talking about the big picture in a sense of the future and in terms of what social media, and YouTube, and so forth might do. I’m curious for the fans of your channel, of your channels, you have several YouTube channels, perhaps in the shorter run maybe, or in the longer run however you want to take this, what can fans of your channels look forward to in the future, from Dr. Greg Sadler and ReasonIO?
Cashio: Put a spoiler alert.
Sadler: Yeah. So I put out about 250 to 300 new videos every year. So there’s that.
Weber: Wow.
Cashio: Jesus.
Sadler: I should mention too that I’m crowdfunding a lot of the work that I do with the YouTube channel in part because YouTube doesn’t pay. So in order to support the work. But I let my patron supporters have a lot of input into the stuff that I’m going to do next. So I did some polling, I just did a sequence on Heidegger’s What is Metaphysics, I’m doing, you can see right behind me on my board, if your viewers, if your listeners could see it, there’s some Hegel there because I’ve been doing things on the master-slave dialectic. And I’m lined up to do some more Heidegger, some Nietzsche, some more Kant, all of those sorts of things.
But I’m also two new things this month. I’ve got a number of books that people keep sending me, mostly about practical philosophy. So things from Massimo Pigliucci’s very recent How to be a Stoic to somebody else sent me a book on Sartre and Surfing, to other things along those lines. I’m going to start doing video reviews of those and I’m going to call them honest reviews.
Weber: Oh, nice.
Sadler: Because I’m going to talk about whether the person actually gets the philosophical stuff right, whether this is going to be useful for people, those sorts of things. And then I’ve also decided to do-
Cashio: That’s a great idea.
Sadler: Well thanks, yeah. I’ve also decided to do a new sequence called Sadler’s soap box, where it’s not quite a rant but the sort of thing that I was talking here about why are service classes so important. Well that’s something I think I could talk about for 15 to 20 minutes and make a good, coherent argument why we should have a very positive attitude towards the kind of teaching that goes on in these you know intro and ethics and critical thinking classes. So those are some of the things I’ve got going on. And I’ll be doing more personal videos too, I’ve been doing a bit more reflection about experiences and the things that I think I should talk about.
Cashio: For our listeners, you can’t see it but Greg has it just conveniently set up that his camera just, behind him has the word master floating on a chalkboard.
Sadler: Oh really? Oh yeah-
Cashio: Yeah, just right there.
Sadler: … the enjoyment of the master, yeah.
Cashio: Just right there. [inaudible 00:51:23] imagines of master right about his head. All right. That’s funny.
Weber: Yeah everybody if you find what you’ve been hearing about with respect to Greg’s work interesting, or you’ve watched his videos and you enjoy it and you’re not yet a patron of his work, I’ll tell you how you could go become one and that’s by heading to patreon.com/sadler. Awesome, well that’s fantastic.
Cashio: Greg, one of our final questions comes from the inspiration for our show. And I think kind of given our conversation we kind of have a pretty good idea of what your answer’s going to be but would you say that philosophy bakes no bread? That it’s really not practical as the saying goes, or that it does? And why and how? How would you respond to this claim, that there’s no practicality in philosophy?
Sadler: Well as a philosopher I’ll make a distinction, right? I’ll say that for a lot of people in the way that they do philosophy, yeah, philosophy bakes no bread. But they’re going philosophy wrong.
Weber: That’s a bold claim.
Sadler: Exactly, I’m sure you’ll get some complaints. Because-
Cashio: And by the way you can reach Greg at-
Weber: ReasonIO.com.
Sadler: I mean philosophy, there’s this really interesting discussion about philosophy is a way of life, right, because Pierre Hadot has a book, and this has been around from the beginning, and it continued on through the modern period. Descartes was not just doing academic philosophy for academic philosophy’s sake. He was trying to transform the world. And I think the way it gets taught quite often we lose sight of that. But all you have to do is read the discourse and you’ll see that. So yeah, philosophy definitely does bake break. And it ought to be doing so and it ought to do so in conjunction with the other humanities that are baking bread as well. Like rhetoric or history or these other people who, not people but these other discourses that are offering these great resources.
Weber: Right on, right on. Well-
Cashio: I like it.
Weber: Yeah, indeed. So, Greg, as you know, we like to make sure that people see both the serious side of philosophy as well as the lighter side. So we have a short bit that we air at the end of each episode that we call Philoso-funnies.
Cashio: Say Philoso-funnies.
Speaker 5: Philoso-funnies.
Cashio: Say Philoso-funnies.
Speaker 5: Philoso-funnies.
Weber: So we’d love to hear from you Greg if you’ve got a favorite joke or funniest fact about philosophy or about YouTube or about what you’ve been up to, that you can tell us for our segment that we call Philoso-funnies. Have you got a joke or a story or a line or something?
Sadler: Well there is that funny line about Hegel which couldn’t possibly be correct but apparently he said that only one man understood me, and even he didn’t understand me. That is paradoxical right because if that’s the case, what the hell was he talking about?
Cashio: Yeah.
Weber: Oh, the life of the philosopher also being-
Cashio: That’s a great Hegel thing to say.
Weber: … also being-
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: … misunderstood, right? Yeah the problem isn’t my ideas, the problem is that if only you idiots could understand them, right? Oh geez.
Sadler: Yeah, that’s usually a great way to win people over.
Weber: Yeah, the counterpoint is from Einstein who says if you can’t put an idea simply, you don’t really understand it.
Sadler: Yeah.
Weber: All right Anthony, you want to tell one of the couple we picked up? Let’s give any explanations let’s do on the front-end right?
Cashio: I was, I want to do the Ellen DeGeneres joke.
Weber: All right.
Cashio: So, this joke we’re borrowing with a hat tip to Ellen DeGeneres. She’s very funny, Ellen. I like Ellen. I just like this joke. What did the guy with amnesia say at the bar?
Weber: I don’t know.
Cashio: Do I come here often?
Weber: All right, now remember listeners, we talked at one time about a view that’s called solipsism, and that’s the view which says that the only real thing in the world is me and all of you all are just part of the movie in my head, right? And so there’s only one person in this world and it’s me. And you can say this yourself, right? And so there’s jokes about this view that we call solipsism. And here’s the joke, it’s just a one liner. You know, it’s so nice to meet another solipsist.
Cashio: Rim shot, rim shot.
Weber: Rim shot, rim shot. Oh boy.
Cashio: That was great. Well-
Sadler: And how would-
Cashio: … last but not least, we. Yeah, seriously. We’d like to take advantage of the fact that we have powerful social media which is what we’ve been talking about this whole show and it allows for two-way communications, even for programs like radio shows. So we want to invite our listeners to send us their thoughts about big questions that we raise on the show.
Weber: That’s right. Given that Greg we’d love to hear your thoughts about what question you think we should ask our listeners for a segment that we call You Tell Me. Have you got a question you propose we ask our listeners?
Sadler: Yeah, I was thinking about where philosophy gets the most traction and I suppose the best question for the listeners is what do they want philosophy to be talking in their day-to-day life problems?
Weber: Nice. What are the problems-
Cashio: I really like that.
Weber: … that you face that you most wish that philosophy could help you with?
Sadler: Had something to say about, yeah. Because you know, oftentimes they’ll find that it does.
Weber: That’s a great question. That’s a great question. Thank you for that.
Cashio: That is a great question.
Weber: Awesome.
Cashio: Thank you for that Greg. And thanks to everyone out there for listening to this episode of Philosophy Bakes Bread.
Weber: Indeed.
Cashio: Food for thought about life and leadership. Your host Anthony Cashio and Eric Weber are so grateful to have been joined today by Greg Sadler. Thank you Greg.
Sadler: Thanks for having me on, I really enjoyed this.
Weber: Awesome.
Cashio: This is really great. So we hope that you maybe can join us again in the future and that our listeners will also join us again in the future. For our listeners, consider sending us your thoughts about anything you’ve heard today that you would like to hear about in the future or about specific questions we raised for you. Eric, how can they get ahold of us.
Weber: Let’s see. I think there’s a couple of ways you can do that. Number one, you can reach us on Twitter, on Facebook, and on our website at Philosophy Bakes Bread.com, all the info about it is there on that website. And there you’ll also find by the way, transcripts for many of our episodes. And we’re catching up to the present. We’re having all these episodes transcribed especially thanks to a great thanks goes out to Drake Bolling, an undergraduate philosophy student-
Cashio: Thank you Drake.
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